Hey Mike, yes I like debating about this stuff. I talk with my friends about it, and we make sure to not get angry or emotional about it. Let's try our best to keep that same mindset, because actually we are both on the same side. I am pretty hard core Republican policy-wise. Here's my thoughts.
MIKEFROMUNIONTOWN wrote:
(URLs rewritten, remove parenthesis (https:))//thebiglie.frankspeech.com/PENNSYLVANIA/index.html
Certainly shows enough to warrant a full-scale AUDIT of the entire election
Possibly, I'm all for investigating everything. I didn't see any specific details on that site. That's just more other people's conclusions that I ignore, I would like to know very specific data that proves fraud and maybe I'd agree. Not just something that has good solid alternative explanations... like...
MIKEFROMUNIONTOWN wrote:
A local precinct was 79% at 3am Nov 4 via the county records and somehow wound up at 66% Trump after a week of "counting"
...like this. With all due respect, Trump was commanding everyone in every rally to vote IN PERSON. He wanted NOBODY to vote by mail. The end result was that the majority of his voters did just that. Even before the election, it was stated that the election is going to show an initial burst of Trump voters as the in-person votes are counted initially, followed by a burst of Biden votes afterwards as the mail-in votes are counted. What you describe is exactly what was predicted to occur I believe. Also, there were some "bursts" that were just normal parts of how the votes are entered. When counted, they enter them that way with candidate X first then candidate Y next. I did research that back when it started getting attention, and their explanations were all perfectly understandable and possible. In my opinion, Trump asked all his voters to vote in person to cause exactly this illusion, and seeded the ground for his attempts for voting to STOP prior to the mail ballots being completed. This is an illusion, surely you agree.
MIKEFROMUNIONTOWN wrote:
www.scribd.com/document/488495896/Navarro-Report
I read a bit of that, it has a paywall on it, but I have seen many reports similar and they all make broad conclusions. I have read I think two of the lawsuit complaints about fraud, I listened to Giuliani in court making his case, and absolutely none of them had any actual proof that fraud happened. My counter point to that was the Cyber Ninjas were tasked with finding the fraud, even their biggest suspected area of fraud that they chased in Arizona did not produce proof of fraud. There's a lot of coincidental events that have alternate explanations, but in my opinion no proof. I'd be happy to hear anything you'd consider proof in their finding, maybe I missed it. Trust me, I too wish Republicans had won. You're typically right that where there's smoke there's fire, except in the instance where all the smoke is stirred up artificially, which is what I think is happening on the fringe right. Left does it too by the way. This makes me ignore the smoke, I want to see the fire to know there's a fire.
MIKEFROMUNIONTOWN wrote:
Our country is being destroyed. The dollar is worth almost nothing compared to 1976 and INLFLATION WAS BAD AND INTEREST RATES WERE TERRIBLE BACK THEN.
YES I absolutely agree with you 100% on this point. We are on the same side, I disagree with just about all of Biden's policies and decisions, I agreed with almost all of Trumps policies and decisions.
Where our opinions differ is that I just don't like someone who puts himself above our country, and I feel that's what Trump did. I am an American first, a Republican second. Trump is TRUMP first, and America/Republican/whatever a very distant second. Calling out election fraud even before the votes were even counted was an example of recklessness that put the country at risk.
Even IF there was provable election fraud, as President of the United States of America I would sit down with my advisors and cabinet and discuss with them how such a revelation could harm the country. I would make 1000% sure it was true before announcing to the world that the cornerstone of the Free American System is a fruad...? Wow. An announcement like that could cause great turmoil. Trump was throwing it around as a weapon, along with anything else he could leverage to help himself. And just himself. That's bad.
MIKEFROMUNIONTOWN wrote:
The Penna legislature requested the electors be sent back to the state for review.
Not really. The legislature is Democratically controlled, and many Republicans simply signed a statement asking for this. Far from a vote or formal declaration. From Google: "Meanwhile, 64 Republicans in Pennsylvania’s Legislature — fewer than half the total, but including House GOP leaders — signed a statement Friday urging members of Congress to block Pennsylvania's electoral votes from being cast for Democratic President-elect Joe Biden. "
Yes these are trying and stressful times. I want exactly what you want. I want closed borders. I want the free money to stop flowing to those who aren't deserving of it. I want the capitalist system to work exactly the way it was designed, work hard and you succeed. There needs to be pain to have success. Companies have to fold sometimes as a normal part of keeping capitalism working. Once the vaccines came out, Covid should have departed the news as those who wanted the shot could get it and those who didn't wouldn't, and the vaccine supposedly makes Covid only as dangerous as the flu so the covid story ends. I'm not driving 20mph the rest of my life because others refuse to wear a seatbelt, and I'm not wearing a mask the rest of my life because others refuse to get a vaccine. Same thing.
But I also want a leader who I can trust and respect, who is honest and trustworthy. Trump ain't it in my opinion.
Throw a reply if you have time sometime. Note that I don't check this every day, will try to get back when I can.
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